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[Dangermouse]

"If you are avoiding fees for a service it is stealing, sorry"

Wow - at what point did anyone say they were avoiding fees. It is PayPal choice to offer F&F service for free within the local country HOWEVER we are talking about International Transactions and commenting on the change in the fee structure for F&F International. So we are not avoiding anything.

"you may not ask the buyer to send you a PP " = not applicable because they didn't ask - plus I am not not talking about commercial transactions.

In the example I mentioned above I was sending money to a friend who is posting a car for me. That would = "Payment Owed: to pay your friend back for your share of a dinner bill, or other item that your friend paid for you." He paid the postage - I am sending him the money to cover that.

The conversation started as a note that PayPal has changed the fee structure for F&F International. There has always been a fee for sending F&F International. I choose to send money to someone I know F&F so I pay the fee rather than they pay the fee. My friend posting the car gets the 10 euro he paid back rather than 9.14 euro. I could (and did) work out the percentage and added the fixed fee and sent it as payment for goods and service. The past I would have just sent it F&F and paid the fee.

They have changed the fee structure - there was probably an email telling us this, but from the conversations I have had with folks it seems they were as surprised as I was about the change.

A good robust conversation - but perhaps there are two conversations in this thread somehow merge into one. 1.) A change in fee structure for International Payments and 2.) A problem with people sending money to pay for goods F&F locally instead of as a commercial transaction.

[mattb]

As long as option exists that has no fees, it is entirely reasonable to think people will use it when possible. I'm sure PP knows this. Using this option when possible is no different than using a discount coupon to buy a dinner, getting 40% off at Hobby Lobby or any other "deal" offered to consumers. If it costs a company more than they think is acceptable, they will stop offering these options. I would not criticize anyone that takes advantage of an offer freely made.

[RazorJon]

Using PayPal friends has 1 bad downside for the seller

You do not get the address to do shipping labels

No big deal you say, well when the seller fills out the address to the buyer the seller just lost all his protection

If I sell a Razor to Joe in Swazelia and he friend pays me when I go to do shipping labels you will not get Joes shipping info, no biggy right, Joe tells you his addy and you write it down, all Joe has to do is tell PayPal he never received the package and Joe gets his money back because Joe tricked you and gave you his moms address, he got the package but you cant prove it and PayPal will always punish the seller.
This scam is big in Europe so sellers beware

Oh and if you do shipping labels with PayPal its cheaper I save about $1.25 on flat rate boxes if paid through PayPal

Did you know a flat rate box to any of the 50 states cost the same, Guam and Puerto Rico same 2

[mattb]

Evidently Joe was not friend or family if he would do that to you!

[Dangermouse]

If you send Joe an invoice can he choose to pay F&F anyway? I would be thinking that if I was selling things to people I didn’t know then I would only accept payment via the PayPay invoice system. If they paid F&F I would refund and say please pay the invoice. It doesn’t really make sense for a buyer to pay F&F if they are sent an invoice.

[WB2]