So, how do I tune a Scaley Challenger to be competitive?

[noddaz]

Long winded title. But that is the question. How would someone go about making a Scaley Challenger competitive using the national style rules used at Great Traditions? Or is it even possible?

Scott

[waaytoomuchintothis]

"national style rules used at Great Traditions"
What does this mean? Are you asking about generally accepted matters in local groups, or something else?

I really don't know how to respond. There are some solid weight and traction things that have been established, but are you asking about something else? The Scaley Challenger is unique. I built a Scaley Challenger for the gathering at Harry's that was fast, but I don't know if that is what you want?

[chappy]

Scott it might help if you could tell us the rules you are using so we can tailor our answers for you.
Bob

[steeveew]

Here is what he is referring to.
If links to this site are frowned on,please remove.

http://www.slotcarillustrated.com/porta ... hp?t=91735




Steve

[scatman]

[noddaz]

Whups. Sorry about that guys. It was late, I was tired and a link to the rules would have been helpful. And Steve has provided the correct link. (Thanks!)

So, using that set of rules that Steve provided the link to, could a Scaley Challenger be made to be competitive with the Scaley Camaros. The Camaros (both styles, 1969 and 1970) currently dominate the series. And have done so in the past. The rules are strict concerning what can be done to the body, chassis and posts.

And that being said, I like the like the RMS resins link and I may build a car to those plans someday. That should run really nice.

Scott

[dr fabio]

Short answer is no. When you have such restrictive rules there will always be one car that performs well. Everyone will gravitate to that car. You have answered your own question. Everyone has gravitated to the Camaro 69-70 even though other cars are available. When rules are more liberal as to what sort of tuning is allowed you find that different people come up with different mousetraps and each one can achieve a good result in a different way. That's not the case here. Such races frustrate me as they invariably become one make races.

Good luck.

[Abarth Mike]

Challenger weighs 6 gms more so is at a disadvantage immediately.

There is a Challenger white kit. So I think I would run a white kit Challenger and maybe i wouldn't win but I would certainly try to be the quickest Challenger. :twocents-mytwocents:

[Abarth Mike]

Oops wrong thread :text-thankyouyellow:

Actually posted my high tech theories that were for the OP's eyes only :doh:

[arroldn]

Noddaz,
Based on the rules I would say the Challenger would not be competitive. See body rules.
THE BODY:
Bodies may not be modified, lightened, or cut in any way - including wheel wells, body posts, interiors, etc. EXCEPTIONS:
Mustang (’69-’71 – non-DPR chassis):
- Note: if a DPR chassis is used, the front bumper will need to be removed from either the body or the chassis as only one front bumper is required.
- The same modifications for the DPR chassis Mustang (’69-’71) as shown below are permitted.

Mustang (’69-’71 – DPR chassis):
- Note: if a non-DPR chassis is used, a front bumper will need to be installed either on the body or the chassis.
- The front wheel axle supports may be trimmed flush to the sides of the chassis to allow the front wheels to be moved closer to under the body (reduced front track).
- On the rear portion of the chassis in front of the rear bumper where the chassis notches (locks) in to the body, the angled portions of the chassis just in front of the ends of the rear bumper that lock the chassis to the body may be trimmed straight up and down to allow the chassis to drop into the body. See pictures on SCI website.

I have made made the modifications that David recommends to 1 of my Challengers and it running well in TransAm Proxy. However the rules for the Scaley Proxy do not permit cutting the valence front or rear on the Challenger to give you body float. Thus the Camaro and Mustang would have a distinct advantage over the Challenger & Cougar. Not sure why the rules committee missed this on the Challenger.

I ran a similar proxy sposored by SCI with a Mustang about 5 or 6 years ago but this was a magnet proxy. Stock and Modified. Did fairly well with the modified car.

Arrold

[Abarth Mike]

Then the rules need to be changed to allow Challenger to be entered competitively.

If the Mustamg can be butchered why not the Challenger?

[loosewheel]

Very draconian rules, they must like racing one style of car. Really puts a damper on the old engineering creativity. Whatever floats their boat.

[Abarth Mike]

You know how you hear a tune and you can't get it out of your head. :whistle:

Well this topic is like that. :angry-tappingfoot:

Fortunately I can't find a convenient Challenger to play with.

[Wobble]