GVSCC Targa 2

[BARC 1]

Well I guess that answers my question about glossy finishes. Great looking model and a well deserved winner. What are you running on that for wheels?

Cheers

Dan

[Beast Lee]

[Radarek]

Thanks Beast

Barc I used racer set of wheels for ferrari from sccc. We also run out of semi gloss clear coat. Had to use gloss.
But it doesn't really matter.


Congrats to Dennis. Your car not only runs good but look great too. When I seen it on forum first I thought this is a winner.

[Audi1]

Congrats to the concourse podium winners! Great looking cars.

Allan

[gascarnut]

[Radarek]

Dennis
Junior had thar covered :banana-dance: ...
He painted those too.

[Retro Racer 44]

Tony Bovard asked me to give some technical info about the cars. I did not require a detailed list on entry, and some of the motor etc I wouldn't recognize, but I did weigh each car, except the one that has not yet arrived.

I recently bought a small scale that is excellent for weighing cars, chassis and components, so here are the weights of the cars. I'll let you be the judge to decide as we go along whether it is best to send a light or heavy car. I also described the main material from which the chassis is made.

CAR # Entrant Qualifying Chassis Weight in grams
36 Daniel Heald DNA DNA
13 Max Rossmassler 10.16 brass 74
20 Dan Crowley 9.77 Tim card 71
104 Alan Schwartz 9.66 brass 104
146 Mike Dove 9.14 circuit board 77
74 Bill Beggs 9.12 plastic 86
142 Dave Capelen 8.97 circuit board 77
29 Luf Linkert 8.96 plastic 85
150 Steve Morrow 8.67 circuit board 81
152 Barbs Hills 8.67 circuit board 80
148 Mike Buss 8.67 circuit board 79
11 Keith Hines 8.56 brass 102
602 Adam Pawlowski 8.24 stainless 86
23 Bob Chapman 8.1 stainless 92
15 Dariusz Pawlowski 7.92 stainless 95
100 Dennis Samson 7.91 brass 82


2 Leon Luke DNA plastic 67
4 Leo Capaldi 8.47 plastic 86
111 Keith Wells 8.41 plastic 85
48 Bob Goulet 8.23 plastic 89
36 Robert Bance 8.08 stainless 99
29 Mike Gatey 8.07 plastic 73
133 Perry Roussy 7.95 plastic 71
6 Tony Bovard 7.94 plastic 70
33 Tony Palmer 7.9 plastic 72
7 Jon Grainger 7.89 brass 119
5 Christian Mayer 7.86 plastic 66
56 Andy White 7.86 stainless 106
3 Dale Carstensen 7.8 plastic 74
85 Steve Williams 7.8 plastic 71
63 Russell Sheldon 7.75 stainless 91
12 Allan Jarvis 7.72 plastic 83
58 Brian Samson 7.72 brass 105
13 Ron Todhunter 7.28 plastic 65
1 Chris Walker 7.28 brass 84

There has got to be a way to put data like this into a table form, but I haven't figured it out yet.

Cheers,

Keith

[Retro Racer 44]

[Audi1]

Thanks for the weight/chassis material data, Keith. Looks like spring steel is starting to gain quite a presence in the US/Canada now as a chassis material. Most of the top performing cars in your qualification run are either steel or brass chassis.

Pics of the concourse cars are great! Some very nice work there.

Allan

[gascarnut]

From the photos, it appears that the "stainless" frames are actually spring steel, not stainless steel. There's a big difference, as the spring steel is much harder and can flex without taking a permanent bend. In most modern frames, the spring steel is laser cut, in the old days we used to cut it with a Dremel cut-off disc, usually many discs per frame!

[chappy]

Dennis correct me if i am wrong, but i think,the Penelope Pitlane chassis is nickel coated brass. Where as the Richard Mack is indeed Spring steel.
Nice to see the variety and will be interesting to see the performance.
A chart showing the chassis make would be ideal for comparing performance on track.
However i bet Keith is up to his eyes with busy lol.
I seem to recall some format that Christian used at SCCC for the All Canada Proxy.
Bob

[gascarnut]

Bob, the PP frames are "Nickel Silver" which is a 60% copper, 20% zinc, 20% nickel alloy, no actual silver, but the nickel gives it the silvery appearance.

The Mack frames are spring steel, and in the case of the one entered by Russell Sheldon, it has been nickel plated after assembly to prevent rust.

Dennis

[Retro Racer 44]

OK spring steel it is. On the surface it looked to me like stainless steel, but I am a brass builder and have no experience with it. All I know is it makes some very slick fast chassis.

Cheers,

Keith

[Radarek]

Nice to see the variety and will be interesting to see the performance.
A chart showing the chassis make would be ideal for comparing performance on track.

We used anglewinder chassis for maserati and in line for lancia.
Maserati has way more better handling but that maybe also related to weight. Almost 10g difference. Both chassis went through some modification like permanent soldering all the pieces to get rid of the screws. Also tube was soldered between front axle holders and piano wire between rear bushing. Oiltie bushings. I really wanted to use mack chassis on my build maserati buy Richard never responded to emails and I end up with PP. so far so good . Will see tomorrow.

Regards
Dariusz aka radarek

[chappy]

Thanks Dennis, appreciate the background on the PP chassis.
I think its important to know what you have or are getting as it has weight and flex implications among other things.
Bob